[#東洋史] Tracing a Manchurian lineage (Additional Info)
Tracing a Manchurian lineage through (Additional Info.)
- Why did medieval Koreans write that Goryeo was bigger than Goguryeo? -
: my answer to "Manchus made up of less than 1 percent of the Chinese population and a Manchu family ruled them-How many Han Chinese were Qing loyalists?"
My comment :
To simply, in Korea, there is a Buyeo linage : Goguryeo-Baekje & there is Silla, a descendant of Joseon. The expression that Gojoseon founded Silla is a fabrication by the late Silla Dynasty. And the late Silla Dynasty claimed that Goguryeo, Baekje, and Silla were all descendants of Joseon(Dangun-Gija-Wiman) and were all the “Han(韓)” people. But, there is no literature record that existence of any relationship between Gojoseon and Buyeo. Therefore, the pseudo-history book “Hwandan-Gogi(桓檀古記)” was Made in 1900s, and depicts Buyeo as a descendant of Gojoseon in the pseudo-history book. We can understand why Korean nationalist were enthusiastic about the pseudo-history book Hwandan-Gogi(桓檀古記).
The Korean history academia argues that Joseon leads to
(1) Dangun Joseon
(2) Giza Joseon
(3) Wiman Joseon
, but Dangun Joseon is a Fake history made during 13th century in Korea. And the Silla Dynasty claims to have had three dynasties "Pak-Seok-Kim". but in fact, there were four dynasties "Pak-Seok-Kim-Mo(=later changed to Kim)".
To sum up, Pyongyang-Liaodong Chinese = Non-Shang Dynasty Chinese = Wiman Joseon. Han(韓) people = Shang Dynasty Chinese = Giza Joseon. Jin(辰) = Dangun Joseon(a fake state created by historical manipulation for the identity of 'Joseon-Samhan’ in the late Silla Dynasty).
Today, the majority of the Chinese population is non-Shang Chinese. Therefore, it is difficult to fully define the Shang Dynasty people as Chinese. And going back to the original question, it is possible to understand why it is possible for a small number of Manchurians to rule a large number of Chinese.
Comment :
Hmm? Sorry I don't really understand what you are saying. :D
But I found it peculiar Joseon Korea regarded themselves as the successor of Chinese civ after the fall of Ming. What was so special about Ming and why they thought the Qing were savage barbarians? Was it because the Koreans had already prolonged contact with the Jurchens?
My comment :
Korea received Chinese immigrants and Silla collapse, and the Chinese who claim to be Goguryeo descendants create a country called 'Goryeo'. Therefore, from the perspective of the group that founded Goryeo-Joseon, it is not contradictory to think that China is the motherland of Korean, and that the successor of Chinese civilization is Joseon.
According to Book of Jin《金史》 本紀 第1 世記, 列伝4 始祖以下子孫, & Songmo Jiwen《松漠紀聞》. ancestor of Jurchens is Silla people. From Jurchens's point of view, Goryeo is the object of revenge, but also brother. From Chinese people who claim to be Goguryeo descendent(=Goryeo), Jurchen is just a barbaric people who is easy to deceive.
Additionally, Korean records claim that Goryeo is larger than Goguryeo. That's because for the Chinese who lived in the Liaodong-Pyongyang, only a part of Goguryeo is correctly Chinesetic civilized, and the rest is barbaric territory. Therefore, from the perspective of Goryeo people, Goryeo is larger than Goguryeo.
[Reference]
Goryeosa(高麗史) > 志卷第十 高麗史五十六 > 盖西北所至不及高句麗, 而東北過之. 今略據沿革之見於史策者, 作地理志.
Veritable Records of the Joseon Dynasty(朝鮮王朝實錄) > 肅宗實錄/二十九年、12月7日 > 戊寅，召對玉堂官，講《東國通鑑》，至高麗安市城事，上歎曰：「高麗，一小國耳，以善守城名，能抗隋、唐百萬之師。我國地方，比高麗倍之，山川險阻，古今一也，而丙子之亂，虜兵如入無人之地，竟有下城之辱。言念及此，不覺痛心。」
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